Dunno, but he's lost.
Aston was a remarkable grassroots, no funding campaign by Labor that saw Tudge (who is very active in the community and appreciated as such)'s margin cut from something like 10.5% to around 3%.
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Aston was a remarkable grassroots, no funding campaign by Labor that saw Tudge (who is very active in the community and appreciated as such)'s margin cut from something like 10.5% to around 3%.
We don't do "first past the post" voting here, for reasons described above.
We do proportional voting in the Upper House. No need to change anything.
I agree with you,but l don't like the way politics is going ,parties or independents are getting in with very little policies ,saying you will change the climate doesn't cut it for me ,and none of them say how they will do it.
If they feel abandoned by the coalition ,l wonder how they feel about Labors Mr bean Andrews
I'm happy that Labor won, that Palmer p!ssed $100 million against the wall, and that One Nation haven't got a pot to pee in.
I'm proud that a large majority of my fellow Australians didn't get sucked in by the lies from mudguts Palmer and Kelly...............Kelly lost his seat
Not unhappy that the Independents did well, I hope they keep the bastards honest, without going overboard.
yeah I think Palmer actually blew a hundred million.
his last $80m spend would have paid back in spades, cause he preferenced LNP and got mines approved/infrastructure etc off the corrupt *smile*,
but I don't think he'll get a sheckle this time.
$100m down the crapper.
and while he won't be joining the soup line,
$100m will hurt the horrible *smile*.
like you say Tman,
Christiansen GONE, Kelly GONE, Liberals KICKED into irrelevance, palmer and Hanson inconsequential.
It appears that this democracy stuff
might not be completely *smile* ed?
the way the weekend has panned out,
we could wake up to Dutton's dim sim and Angus Taylor all covered in monkeypox tomorrow?
Hopefully the independents and greens add titanium teeth to ICAC,
and we get to see some of these *smile* in handcuffs
I didn't see that, will have to look it up.
I don't know Mr Bengal, maybe we should ask the Americans, they put up with Trump for 4 years after he got less votes than Hillary, oh and G Bush the younger got less votes than Al Gore. Not to mention the way the Dems in the USA get way more votes in House of Reps elections and end up with less seats.
But, what exactly are you suggesting?
A direct vote for the PM (in a Westminster system, how would that work)? If so, first past the post or preferential?
Plus, if you suggest most votes wins, how do you do this? What if you have 3 candidates for PM, the Liberal gets 40,000 votes, the National Party gets 30,000 votes and the ALP gets 41,000 votes. Aah, the ALP wins. Does that make sense? Or maybe we go to the French system (called a second ballot and also common in South America from memory), whereby, if no candidate gets 50% + 1 votes in the first round, the 2 candidates with the highest number of votes go on to a second round, it is really a bit like postponed preferential.
To go a little further with the example above, adding together the votes for the Libs, Nats and ALP we get 111,000 votes, what if there were also 20 minor candidates who got 6,000 votes each, so, their votes mean nothing?
With the long and now very substantial reduction in the primary votes for the major parties, we should be very thankful we have preferential voting as it allows us all to have a say without resorting to voting for candidates we really don't support. We can take the risk of voting for an independent who is only a slim chance of winning as we can still allocate preferences.
The reality is that the LNP may have a higher primary vote in this election than the ALP, but there are a lot of reasons for this, not least that there were a lot of ALP voters (and Greens voters too) who voted strategically in the electorates with Teal independents because they know the ALP could not win those seats and the best chance of dislodging the Lib was to vote for the independent. If you add in the votes in those electorates which would normally go to the ALP I reckon the ALP and the Libs/Nats would have about the same primary vote. Both are very low, around the 35% mark.
The big problem for the Libs/Nats is that they only get preferences from the fringe loonies, and the fringe loony vote (LibDems, One Nation, UAP etc) is far smaller than the Greens vote and Greens preferences tend to go to the ALP. So, although the drop in primary votes is a huge issue for both parties, the ALP can survive it better than the Libs/Nats.
I'm hoping for a minority ALP government with a lot of pressure from the cross bench to seriously deal with climate change, corruption, indigenous affairs and real equality for women.
DS
Corruption lolol Do you think Holmes a court has been supporting these independents from the goodness of his heart ,he has business in the renewables.
Just looking at the Senate votes and quotas, looking very unlikely. I only looked at Qld and NSW but they aren't a chance elsewhere I reckon. The Senate won't be decided for a while yet, lots of preferences to be allocated and very complicated with proportional rep, especially with the way we now have what is effectively optional preferential both above and below the line. Preferences could go all over the place, and votes will be exhausted (not possible with compulsory preferential in the lower house), before the last seats in each state are decided.
One Nation remain competitive for the last Senate spot in Qld, but Hanson is not up for election this time as Senators are only up for election every second election (6 year terms) unless there is a double dissolution.
DS
Pretty sure Pauline herself is up for election this time. But looking in danger of being edged out.
Federal Election 2022: Pauline Hanson may lose Senate seat to Greens
amp.9news.com.au
Your other points on the senate election. Good luck to the poor bastard allocating the preferences from my senate ballot paper. Spread like shrapnel all over the place to a whole host of minor players outside the main three.
Innocent question - what percentage vote did Liberal (not Liberal National) get? What percentage vote did National Party get? Surely Labor had the highest percentage vote and therefore had the majority of votes., to use your terms.
Have Liberals ever had enough seats to govern by themselves?
Or do they have to rely on Barnaby Beetroot Joyce to help them out?
Is he trying to make the 8 while 3 games out with 3 games to go?Fryedburger: "It's still mathematically possible..."
Bloody hell, you are right, Hanson is up for election.
However, not sure she will lose.
LNP have 2.2 quotas
ALP have 1.7 quotas
Greens have 0.9 quotas
So, you would think LNP 2 seats, ALP 2 seats, Greens 1 seat. That leaves 1 left and Hanson has 0.55 of a quota.
Very much depends on where the preferences go and the preference count in proportional rep is insanely complex. The left over quotas from tickets who have elected senators are allocated as partial votes, so, looking at the above, after using 2 quotas worth of votes the LNP preferences go through as one eleventh of a vote each (as the other 10 elevenths were used to elect their 2 senators. These are allocated before candidates are knocked out. When candidates are knocked out their preferences go through as full votes as the vote has not been used to elect any senators.
This will take time and they will need to wait for all the votes to come in, including postal and international votes. But Hanson has the highest proportion of the last quota as it stands at the moment.
Counting, yeah, tell me about it. I was employed to do senate re-count back before above the line voting, it was laborious but at least we didn't have to deal with exhausted votes with optional preferential.
DS
Not sure how you counted that.
IN NSW, VIC, SA, WA and Tas there are separate Liberal and National parties, although they do have 1 ticket for the Senate but let's ignore that.
However, in Queensland it is the LNP, one party, and the same in NT where it is the CLP.
Makes it very difficult to work out and I suspect that, given your numbers add up to 31.4% for the Libs and Nats together, you might be missing the LNP in Queensland.
DS
From the ABC, results by party. I should have continued:
ALP 32.8%
Liberals 23.8%
Greens 11.9%
Liberal National Party 7.6%
One Nation 4.9%
UAP 4.2%
The Nationals 4.1%
rest is independents and more minor parties
Not looking good for the Libs. If Fryedburger goes to State, it could be a b!tch fight between him and Guy.
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