2022 Draft Thread

[bullus_hit]

Ok whether its Barnett or Cowan, are they really worth trading a future 1st round selection?

I have Cowan ranked at 11, Barnett ranked at 18, by those metrics I would be ok with it, it's kind of similar to the year I suggested trading a future first for Bailey Williams & Jack Bytel, that particular year I had Williams ranked at 11 & felt Bytel as steak knives made it a solid gamble. I still feel Melbourne are top 4 so it does make some sense. As for the merits in grabbing Cowan, it really depends on the premium you pay for kicking skills. This draft is interesting on a number of levels, the best kicks are Sheezel & Cowan, beyond that it's daylight, some efficient short range kicks like McKenzie & Hollands probably make up the second tier. Hayes is a very good kick as well but I fear his lack of athleticism might hamper his progress, Busslinger another good kick but shoulder sugery could affect his aerial ability.

 

[Dont Argue]

With my playing talent seemingly now never going to be rewarded, I rounded out my draft experiences last night with my daughter's partner being picked up.

Poor bugger has been building up the nerves for about 3 months now, despite being assured of a spot somewhere. Having been on the other side of the equation a few times, you forget how stressful it is for the kids involved. And the stress is just beginning.

Very easy to forget that these kids are 18 yrs old.
They get great advice and mentorship but, at the end of the day, they are immature kids with all the insecurities of the world on their shoulders.
Pass on PRE’s “qualified” congratulations

 

[King Kong]

This idea of yours that anything short of nailing every draft pick is a failure is bizarre. There isn't much point having a discussion.

You can’t nail every draft pick but you have to nail the few top 20 ones you get. Clarke fails time after time on that front and Franks Record wasn’t much better. The irony in my point was that the player Clarke wanted has been delisted and the one he didn’t want is looking like he could be anything. The evidence is compelling In my view. Clarke isn’t very good

 

[tigersnake]

You can’t nail every draft pick but you have to nail the few top 20 ones you get. Clarke fails time after time on that front and Franks Record wasn’t much better. The irony in my point was that the player Clarke wanted has been delisted and the one he didn’t want is looking like he could be anything. The evidence is compelling In my view. Clarke isn’t very good

The evidence says nobody has nailed every top 20 pick, never have, never will. Anyway I'm labouring the point. We had this discussion.

 

[tigersnake]

You can’t nail every draft pick but you have to nail the few top 20 ones you get. Clarke fails time after time on that front and Franks Record wasn’t much better. The irony in my point was that the player Clarke wanted has been delisted and the one he didn’t want is looking like he could be anything. The evidence is compelling In my view. Clarke isn’t very good

The evidence says nobody has nailed every top 20 pick, never have, never will. Anyway I'm labouring the point. We had this discussion.


I will say that you've managed to spin drafting Cumberland with pick 40 something as a negative is impressive

 

[mrposhman]

The evidence says nobody has nailed every top 20 pick, never have, never will. Anyway I'm labouring the point. We had this discussion.


I will say that you've managed to spin drafting Cumberland with pick 40 something as a negative is impressive

I'm not even sure who you are responding to, I assume its someone that has blocked me as your posts don't make sense with what I can see, so I assume whoever it is has me blocked, probably because I called them out on being an idiot or something.

 

[King Kong]

The evidence says nobody has nailed every top 20 pick, never have, never will. Anyway I'm labouring the point. We had this discussion.

I'm not a fan of Clarke. I don't pretend otherwise. But it's not personal it's based on his performance and facts.

Some of the issues I have with Clarke are that he insists on having the smallest draft team of any club and doesn't like having anyone in the team that might take his job.

This means our network is weak and inexperienced. I thought we would have learnt our lesson after the Greg Miller era and JON type selections

If he had a compelling record, then that's fine but when it's as bad as his record its evidence of incompetence.

Our best recruiters in the last 10 years have been Richard Taylor (Adelaide), Nick Austin (Carlton) and Luke Williams who have all departed under Clarke.

We now have the likes of Will Thursfield and part timers like Shedda, our VFL coaches and our AFLW recruiter filling their roles. Not a lot of challenging discussions coming from that group.

He'll point at the soft cap reductions as an excuse, but I don't buy that. It's a convenient excuse that fits the Hartley and Clarke narrative which is the team starts and ends with them. The other clubs have real depth and experience in their teams so we should be no different.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Beatson is the best around. We should be in his ear to replace Hartley. We need the experience with Balmey on the way out.

Besides fs and Academy kids who Has he found??

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Pick 53 will play more games for us
Then Ellis Higgins Lennon Collier Dawkins combined. Take to the bank

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Any chance we can select a defender?

 

[bullus_hit]

Brayden George, I think he's the man Melbourne are after, no inside word just a gut feel.

 

[daniel30]

I'm not a fan of Clarke. I don't pretend otherwise. But it's not personal it's based on his performance and facts.

Some of the issues I have with Clarke are that he insists on having the smallest draft team of any club and doesn't like having anyone in the team that might take his job.

This means our network is weak and inexperienced. I thought we would have learnt our lesson after the Greg Miller era and JON type selections

If he had a compelling record, then that's fine but when it's as bad as his record its evidence of incompetence.

Our best recruiters in the last 10 years have been Richard Taylor (Adelaide), Nick Austin (Carlton) and Luke Williams who have all departed under Clarke.

We now have the likes of Will Thursfield and part timers like Shedda, our VFL coaches and our AFLW recruiter filling their roles. Not a lot of challenging discussions coming from that group.

He'll point at the soft cap reductions as an excuse, but I don't buy that. It's a convenient excuse that fits the Hartley and Clarke narrative which is the team starts and ends with them. The other clubs have real depth and experience in their teams so we should be no different.

I thought we have recruiters in SA and WA working for us I’m sure I heard him say that are they the only states ?.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

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I thought we have recruiters in SA and WA working for us I’m sure I heard him say that are they the only states ?.



If we do they need to be sacked

 

[bullus_hit]

Forgot to mention it yesterday but McKenzie plays a bit like Sam Mitchell, albeit a bit taller, no surprises that he landed at the Hawks.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Forgot to mention it yesterday but McKenzie plays a bit like Sam Mitchell, albeit a bit taller, no surprises that he landed at the Hawks.

Very good selection in hindsight.

Back to us, gut feel says we will leave Lemmy on the table. I suspect his competitiveness will rule him out.

 

[bullus_hit]

Very good selection in hindsight.

Back to us, gut feel says we will leave Lemmy on the table. I suspect his competitiveness will rule him out.

You maybe correct but I think those concerns are overblown, different story with a pick in the top 30, you probably play it safe but I feel the risks associated with Scully are a bit more pronounced.

 

[Dont Argue]

Very good selection in hindsight.

Back to us, gut feel says we will leave Lemmy on the table. I suspect his competitiveness will rule him out.

I really liked that Lemmey came out and said he’ll do whatever it takes to make it.
Said he’s been working really hard and will outwork others.
He might not have natural aggression, but if he’s prepared to push himself and really wants it, he’s half way there,
He has the skill.

 

[Smoking Aces]

You maybe correct but I think those concerns are overblown, different story with a pick in the top 30, you probably play it safe but I feel the risks associated with Scully are a bit more pronounced.

I really liked that Lemmey came out and said he’ll do whatever it takes to make it.
Said he’s been working really hard and will outwork others.
He might not have natural aggression, but if he’s prepared to push himself and really wants it, he’s half way there,
He has the skill.

Agree with both of you.

I am a fan. And for me I wouldnt hesitate to call out his name. No doubt the kid has ability.

Just not sure the club sees it that way.

 

[bullus_hit]

I really liked that Lemmey came out and said he’ll do whatever it takes to make it.
Said he’s been working really hard and will outwork others.
He might not have natural aggression, but if he’s prepared to push himself and really wants it, he’s half way there,
He has the skill.

This is where I'm a bit more forgiving, at state level he struggled to get involved but I don't think it was a lack of competitiveness, probably more based on gameplan & delivery. Looking at his reserves form he played pretty well in the finals, that is probably the equivalent to playing a bottom team at senior level. The contested marking hasn't been as strong as it was last year but the skill set is still there.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Just no tall weak players if we go for height. Must be competitive.