A-League threads [Merged]

[TigerForce]

Reminds me of the name of an AFL team that lives in the western part of sydney, but has a name is far, far worse than Western United.

Your B&HAFC or D&RFC examples don't work, because they were formed from mergers of pre-existing clubs with real history. Wyndham and Geelong FC would be just as fake and plastic as Real Salt Lake given there was no merger between Wyndham and Geelong FC.

Of course teams in England with the name "United" were also formed from mergers of other real clubs, so Western United is stupid as well.

Imagine some factions at Victory and split in half just like AFC Wimbledon and MK Dons....

 

[mrposhman]

Imagine some factions at Victory and split in half just like AFC Wimbledon and MK Dons....

Ohhh I don't want to rile Midsy up, but thats not what happened at Wimbledon to create MK Dons and later AFC Wimbledon. It was a move that has never happened in football, where a club's licence was purchased, team moved 2 hours north and repackaged as a new club. Never happened before and probably will never happen again. Terrible decision at the time and terrible decision still to this day. This sort of thing goes on in the US, (its the franchise model) but the British pyramid isn't setup like that and the creation of MK Dons should never have happened the way it did.

 

[Brodders17]

Reminds me of the name of an AFL team that lives in the western part of sydney, but has a name is far, far worse than Western United.

Your B&HAFC or D&RFC examples don't really work, because they were formed from mergers of pre-existing clubs with real history. Wyndham and Geelong FC would be just as fake and plastic as Real Salt Lake given there was no merger between Wyndham FC and Geelong FC.

Of course teams in England with the name "United" were also mostly formed from mergers of other real clubs, so Western United is stupid in that regard as well.



Yeah, that's all true.

And Western United dont really have links in Geelong- they played games there in their 1st few seasons, but none this year. I think ground access is a problem. All that money spent for the oval to be used for footy training for 6 months of the year. They play more in Ballarat, and now even Tassie.
It will be interesting to see how they go once they have their own ground. Hopefully it will help them build their own passionate supporter base.

 

[MD Jazz]

Bit weird, supported Victory for over a decade now and even spent time in the active supporter sections, never once did I hear any mention of the Old Dark Navy Blues. But yeah, "definite and indisputable links" that are also extremely vague and hand-wavey "supporter mentality rather than any official link".

Provide examples.

Self-Indulgent arrogant knobs spring to mind when I think of Carlton & Victory.

 

[Baloo]

Bit weird, supported Victory for over a decade now and even spent time in the active supporter sections, never once did I hear any mention of the Old Dark Navy Blues. But yeah, "definite and indisputable links" that are also extremely vague and hand-wavey "supporter mentality rather than any official link".

Provide examples.

The sense of entitlement, the arrogance, the misplaced sense of superiority, the silence when you're not doing well.

The parallels are as clear as day.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Reminds me of the name of an AFL team that lives in the western part of sydney, but has a name is far, far worse than Western United.

Your B&HAFC or D&RFC examples don't really work, because they were formed from mergers of pre-existing clubs with real history. Wyndham and Geelong FC would be just as fake and plastic as Real Salt Lake given there was no merger between Wyndham FC and Geelong FC.

Of course teams in England with the name "United" were also mostly formed from mergers of other real clubs, so Western United is stupid in that regard as well.



Yeah, that's all true.

GWS an absolutely appalling name. Just as rubbish as Western United from the vagueness aspect. And even harder off the tongue.

Actually not entirely correct on the combined names in English football. Indeed, some are definitely as a result of mergers, so you are correct from that point of view. Others not so. No hard and fast rule.

Having said that, I concede that it probably only works in the Australian context of creating brand new teams if it was named in honour of two district soccer leagues that were were underpinning a new entrant in some kind of joint venture.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

And Western United dont really have links in Geelong- they played games there in their 1st few seasons, but none this year. I think ground access is a problem. All that money spent for the oval to be used for footy training for 6 months of the year. They play more in Ballarat, and now even Tassie.
It will be interesting to see how they go once they have their own ground. Hopefully it will help them build their own passionate supporter base.

So perhaps should be renamed Nomads United Or Nomads FC? Wouldn’t be anymore vague and aimless than Western United.

 

[Brodders17]

The sense of entitlement, the arrogance, the misplaced sense of superiority, the silence when you're not doing well.

The parallels are as clear as day.

The Melbourne Demons?

 

[Smoking Aces]

I don't follow soccer much if at all, but when the A-League turned up they talked about not having teams which were tied to particular ethnic communities, like previous incarnations of the Australian Soccer competitions had. Then we got 2 teams in Melbourne - Melbourne Victory who were based in South Melbourne and wore blue and white. Hmm reminded me of another team I used to hear about. Not so familiar with the old Melbourne Knights also known as Melbourne Croatia, but red and white - Melbourne City colours are?? I don't think they have totally moved away from the ethnic community based clubs, which is not really surprising given they need the support of the communities to build a fan base.

In any case, soccer just seems to have issues, issues where crowds from opposing teams need to be kept apart in many parts of the world, why is that?

DS

There is zero connection between those clubs. Zero.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

This goalkeeper had a better idea as to how to run like hell and take extreme evasive action. Rather than standing stationary as target practice for marauding savages throwing flying objects.

Perhaps in the old NSL days, soccer players in Australia were better versed in the realities of pitch invasions and riots. The modern day A-League variety are a bit like modern day deer in the British isles, that have got used to a lack of predators, following the extinction of wolves.

 

[DavidSSS]

Nah, they have. Carlton Victory isn't a Greek club. Melbourne Hearts City aren't a Croatian club. The ethnic mix is well and truly there and neither club could claim to be predominantly a particular ethnic club.

Victory's colours are derived from the Scottish National team. Not sure where Heart's colours came from, but now City are Man City sky blue.

City supporters tend to be those that followed Victory at the start, as they were the only Melbourne Club, but got so sick and tired of the Active Supporters that they jumped at the chance to follow another Melbourne club. I put myself in that category.

As I said, I barely take any notice of soccer, just the way Melbourne Victory turned up in Albert Park made me immediately think of the old South Melbourne Hellas. Then when Melbourne City turned up north of the Yarra the dots looked connected with a quick glance.

DS

 

[DavidSSS]

On that note, do you call a team covering Western United’s area simply Wyndham & Geelong FC. Borrowing from the historical theme of carrying the latin Albion in the name of Brighton & Hove, you could even go something like Wyndham & Geelong Bunurong FC (Bunurong is the name of the traditional owners of the land of their proposed stadium). And like Brighton & Hove Albion, people all across that region of England follow them. Those outside specifically Brighton or Hove don’t feel alienated by the name, as long as the club embraces their overall catchment. All hypothetical of course.

Reminds me of the name of an AFL team that lives in the western part of sydney, but has a name is far, far worse than Western United.

Reminds me more of a club in Western Melbourne who used to be named for their suburb, which didn't seem to alienate anyone who lived on that side of town but not in Footscray.

Do they lose their soul when they do this? Not sure either way but I'm not impressed and glad our team is still named after struggletown.

DS

 

[AngryAnt]

The sense of entitlement, the arrogance, the misplaced sense of superiority, the silence when you're not doing well.

The parallels are as clear as day.

So the "definite and indisputable links" have been watered down to "parallels".

ok champ

 

[Baloo]

So the "definite and indisputable links" have been watered down to "parallels".

ok champ

Champ? Didn't realise just how much the Carlton reference gets to you.

Apologies, I'll put the rod away now.

 

[Ian4]

OK, so after thinking it all through, I am probably not going to comment any further on the events of Saturday night. People will probably spin and/or criticise anything I have to say because it’ll be taken in a different way, so I am going to leave it alone. I’m just not in the mood for it.

All I will say that I am shocked and appalled. I am shattered for my club and my game. 99.9% of us feel this way, but 100% of us will be categorised with these dogs. James Johnson hit the nail on the head when he said that these people are not real football fans. They are C U Next Tuesday Sam.

We will cop whatever penalty we cop and we deserve it. All that is left is to pick up the pieces and that will take a long, long time. Football will survive because it always does, but it’s hard to see where the light comes from at this early stage.

I am fairly certain I will not be attending any more games this year (if we are allowed to) as there is now zero chance the APL decision will be overturned. Despite the events of Saturday, I will still be standing my ground on this, and I hope the boycotts by the other teams continue.

Luckily for me, I have a lot to occupy myself over the summer months. And I can probably change my flights for Adelaide Away next month to the Adelaide v Richmond game in March.

And before anyone asks, I will be keeping my membership to financially support the club. And I will remain a shareholder. This club has given me some of the best experiences of my life and I have made so many friends. I love this club. I am Melbourne Victory Til I Die.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Some good banter going around this morning. One I heard was musing that perhaps football/soccer authorities should scrap the A-League and start again at year zero without all of the knobs……hmmmm…..sounds familiar……hasn’t that been done before?

 

[Ian4]

Some good banter going around this morning. One I heard was musing that perhaps football/soccer authorities should scrap the A-League and start again at year zero without all of the knobs……hmmmm…..sounds familiar……hasn’t that been done before?

Well this time last week, some of us were saying that if the APL decision to play the GF in Sydney wasn’t overturned, the NSD (National Second Division that is starting in 2024) may end up being the NFD (National First Division). I actually argued on the socials we should consider joining that. Now they probably wouldn’t invite us.

 

[Baloo]

The clubs wrestling control of the A-League from the FFA hasn't worked out that well. Pride won't allow it to happen, but there's a fair argument the clubs should concentrate on managing the clubs and hand control back to the FA

 

[AngryAnt]

Champ? Didn't realise just how much the Carlton reference gets to you.

Apologies, I'll put the rod away now.

Still waiting for any actual link between Victory and Carlton, but keep on punching Palmer.

 

[TigerForce]

OK, so after thinking it all through, I am probably not going to comment any further on the events of Saturday night. People will probably spin and/or criticise anything I have to say because it’ll be taken in a different way, so I am going to leave it alone. I’m just not in the mood for it.

All I will say that I am shocked and appalled. I am shattered for my club and my game. 99.9% of us feel this way, but 100% of us will be categorised with these dogs. James Johnson hit the nail on the head when he said that these people are not real football fans. They are C U Next Tuesday Sam.

We will cop whatever penalty we cop and we deserve it. All that is left is to pick up the pieces and that will take a long, long time. Football will survive because it always does, but it’s hard to see where the light comes from at this early stage.

I am fairly certain I will not be attending any more games this year (if we are allowed to) as there is now zero chance the APL decision will be overturned. Despite the events of Saturday, I will still be standing my ground on this, and I hope the boycotts by the other teams continue.

Luckily for me, I have a lot to occupy myself over the summer months. And I can probably change my flights for Adelaide Away next month to the Adelaide v Richmond game in March.

And before anyone asks, I will be keeping my membership to financially support the club. And I will remain a shareholder. This club has given me some of the best experiences of my life and I have made so many friends. I love this club. I am Melbourne Victory Til I Die.

Just exterminate that Dorka group of wannabe activists and all will be good again.