evo said:England leaves the Euro and we join Eurovision.
Magical times.
Maybe we can join the EU.
evo said:England leaves the Euro and we join Eurovision.
Magical times.
evo said:When the bureaucrats, central bankers, politicians, media and big business are all united in telling you to vote one way you should run to vote the opposite.
antman said:Iceland sends England a big FU from the EU.
Oh look Harry, Standard & Poors and Fitches just started scaremongering by downgrading the UK's credit rating two points. Sterling on a 31 year low - first world problems :hihi
murdochs media influence in Britain is in decline.tigersnake said:Murdoch, the dominant media, player pushed the exit case hard, but yeah good point.
tigersnake said:same mobs who said the US mortgage bonds were top notch and caused the GFC. They've managed to have their key role talked down and forgotten though. The fact that their rolled-gold conservative status remains intact after such a fundamental and monumental stuff up speaks volumes about the global financial system. Its all a sham.
evo said:murdochs media influence in Britain is in decline.
evo said:either way he just one player. And he mostly seems to take a contrarian view merely to sell more papers it seems.
There is little doubt in my my mind the establishment wanted Britain to remain.
Back when the EU was first conceived I thought it was a good idea, but have changed my mind over the years. History will show the British people did the right thing I reckon. The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic bureaucratic monolith that's going to collapse.
Deutchebank will probably be the catalyst.
It is whatever people want it to be.tigersnake said:I wonder if there is an optimal-sized country or federation?
Giardiasis said:It is whatever people want it to be.
It's called self-determination.tigersnake said:Just bang those ruby slippers together hey G?
tigersnake said:On the establishment, mostly, there is a significant old, old, money bloc that wanted exit, that's pretty establishment. But the broad current establishment, yes.
On the EU, hard to argue with, but dunno if the alternative is any better, who knows. I wonder if there is an optimal-sized country or federation?
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/06/22/4486618.htmantman said:Oh yeah, the Establishment definitely wanted Remain. This referendum was a bizarre coalition of the Establishment/young people/professionals/tech businesses/most businesses/lefties/Scotland/Northern Ireland on the Remain side and the elderly/unemployed/northern England/Wales/UKIP racists/I want to go back to the 1950s crowd on the Leave side.
On the Tories, most MPs are Remainers whilst most of the Tory party membership are Leavers.
Both the Tories (do we really want Boris as leader?) and Labour (do we have anyone else besides Corbyn to lead us) in crisis now.
evo said:http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/06/22/4486618.htm
Harry said:Heh heh seems Angry Ant is afraid of change which might explain his constant backing of the current RFC administration and Hardwick. I can see him blow his top if Peggy Benny and Hardwick get kicked out, blaming it on the ferals
evo said:http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/06/22/4486618.htm