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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?
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Think we’re talking about slightly different things, TS. I agree that a Govt should take advice before major policy tweaks. As you say, that will likely be expensive; and it may or may not be any good.
But that’s one-off before enacting the policy change, and Govt is already staffed with experts in these areas. I foresee that the Voice will require Voice members (and the sub-Voice, local community panels that will inform the Voice members) will continually be taking advice.
Expanding on an example I mentioned above, say the Govt wants to change tax legislation. That will affect Aboriginal and TSI people, as it affects everyone. Who understands tax legislation? The community panels will need (expensive) advisors so they can inform communities and canvas community views in an informed way. Ditto for the Voice members, so they can assimilate the community views and provide informed advice to Parliament. Multiply this for almost every piece of legislation affecting A and TSI. This cost will surely fall on the taxpayer (and the process will delay legislation).
I again spoke to my mate and his wife ,and they both would vote no .
The reasons why they would vote no ,is one there is already indigenous people in local/state/ territory /federal Government, and some of these people have spoken out about the real problems in Aboriginal communities ,yet nothing gets done .
No government leader is prepared to take a hard line approach in solving a lot of these problems ,and these problems are not new ,they have been going on for decades
The voice may or may not have a future ,it may go along way to solve smaller issues ,but again unless heads of Government are prepared to take hard line approach ,the serious issues will continue .
If the same thing's where happening to white children and women there would be a outcry ,there would thousands of people looking for justice ,and yet here we sit with another gutless government with another band aid solution .
Why is it a culture war ,and why do you think this is political .
Questions have to be asked and answered as to why this VOICE is going to work ,or is it another band aid .
Just to endorse my service during Vietnam . Christmas Day HMAS Yarra Petty Officers mess 1970 during 1970/ 1971 South East Asia deployment. Left to right Scrambles, Saunders, Noddy , Spike then yours truly.
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There is already indigenous people in all forms of Government ,a few speak out about the serious issues that are going on ,but nothing gets done.
So how do you think having the Voice will change it ,when we already have indigenous people in Government.
The game of politics is to outwit your opponent > Albo called the The Voice & is sweating on Dutton to show his hand. If Dutton says Yes Albo grinning like a Cheshire cat. Dutton says No Albo still grinning like a Cheshire Cat as he can attack Dutton for deserting the Aborigine people. Dutton should say " we support a Conscious Vote for Australian People & if it is a Yes result we will support the Will of the Australain people " Might wipe the smile off Albo's dial.
Probably doing the Greens a favour in the long run.
www.theguardian.com
Lidia Thorpe quits Greens party to pursue black sovereignty
Victorian senator to join crossbench, where she ‘will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective’
Fair call here. Would love to see more health and education funding to be done immediately. Would also love to see more talented young people get scholarships so that can go to universities and lead their communities to a better way. Need to find those who want to raise the standards.
I believe that when a senator leaves a party that party should have the right to replace them.Probably doing the Greens a favour in the long run.
Lidia Thorpe quits Greens party to pursue black sovereignty
Victorian senator to join crossbench, where she ‘will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective’
A lot of greens voters would feel like their senate vote was partially wasted
For a senator absolutely (not for the lower house though), she's now a senator until 2028 off the back of the Greens campaign.
She has enormous anger. However justified that anger may be no change will occur through anger and confrontation.Probably doing the Greens a favour in the long run.
Lidia Thorpe quits Greens party to pursue black sovereignty
Victorian senator to join crossbench, where she ‘will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective’
Significant change for our indigenous citizens can only come with the support of the centre, the everyday Australian. That is no different to any major change in this country.
Lidia Thorpe does more harm than good to the indigenous rights with what she says and how she says it. Insisting that there is a treaty before a Voice will just result in no change.
It is hard enough to get a voice agreed to and that is just a consultative body.
Yep, and she's quit the Greens to be a leader in the black sovereignty movement. Is that similar to the so called sovereign citizens, just coming at it from a different angle?
This is true, but Lidia Thorpe's radicalism also makes the Voice look like a moderate proposal, which it is, but this makes it obvious.
Worth a try. On the other hand we could all do nothing and . . . nothing will change.
Plus, the Uluru gathering said they want a Voice, I respect their request and will support it.
It should always be remembered that this should be a first step, more to come later.
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