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Number One Priority - Draft a Ruckman
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mrposhman said:
Jack Hannath (FRE) 25 - 20 games.
I look at the possibles. We can trade Conca back to WA and get Lycett or Hannath in return. Both from country SA I think.
My personal preference is Downie but how to get it done.
Think all of Downie, Marchbank and Rockliff (strangely all Benalla boys) may want to come back to Victoria.
this thread proves more than anything how many holes we have on our list:
- we lack midfield depth and may get Prestia which will help.
- none of Vickery, Griffiths and McBean have come on as KP forwards. you'd expect 2 of those to go this year, meaning we will have to replace at least 1 of them for the sake of list balance.
- Chaplin has retired, Astbury has come on a little (but not convincing), Bachelor will never be more than a 3rd defender at best and Grimes is decent but injury prone, meaning we will have to bring in a KP defender for the sake of list balance.
- as for ruckman, Ivan is finished, Hampson will stay on because we have no one else, Chol/Saldo are long term prospects and at least 1 of our 2nd string ruckman (Vickery/Griffiths) are also heading our the door, meaning we need to bring in a ruckman for the sake of list balance.
- we lack midfield depth and may get Prestia which will help.
- none of Vickery, Griffiths and McBean have come on as KP forwards. you'd expect 2 of those to go this year, meaning we will have to replace at least 1 of them for the sake of list balance.
- Chaplin has retired, Astbury has come on a little (but not convincing), Bachelor will never be more than a 3rd defender at best and Grimes is decent but injury prone, meaning we will have to bring in a KP defender for the sake of list balance.
- as for ruckman, Ivan is finished, Hampson will stay on because we have no one else, Chol/Saldo are long term prospects and at least 1 of our 2nd string ruckman (Vickery/Griffiths) are also heading our the door, meaning we need to bring in a ruckman for the sake of list balance.
Ian4 said:
In one of the other threads I showed what GWS paid for Downie, Stewart and Finlayson. They paid the equivalent of about Pick 21. They are all out of contract, hopefully we might be able to get them with a slightly later pick.
I also understand that Tom Lamb wants to come home to VIC and apparently WC may be interested in Conca.
So my thinking, send Conca to WC for Lamb and an upgrade of our 3rd to West Coasts 2nd (something like Pick 40 for Pick 30). Then trade that Pick to GWS for those 3 tall players. I don't know a lot about Finlayson but read a bit on the phantom drafts (would be interested to hear if Bully / Scoop have seen much of him). Downie looks like he will be ok as a ruck and Stewart whilst not setting the world on fire is a developing tall forward and could do wonders when given a run in a team (look at Bruce for an example of a GWS tall that has done that).
We'd get Lamb (192cm forward) plus Stewart and Finlayson as KP players plus Downie, all for Pick 40 and Conca.
Reckon the value is about right, but need to see if discount Dan and Hartley can get it done.
That would leave the rest of our picks and any other trades we get done to concentrate on the mids. Whilst these talls may not be certain starters next year, they fill the balance of the list out a bit more and we can hopefully develop them into being good players for us.
tigerman said:
I doubt Naismith would be up for grabs, tigerman. He can ruck. Nankervis is in the McEvoy mould, not as good a mark but a heavy and frequent hitter at ground level. Like McEvoy he can be exposed at ruck contests. For air.
Nankervis is a natural complement to Hansel. But he's no star. I think Sinclair is clearly the least of the trio but we don't want him.
mrposhman said:
No, I think Naismith is the one to go for. Still 3rd banana at Swans when Tippett's back. Has the height and weight you need to compete today at 206cm and 108kg, but is still really mobile, goes in unafraid, young and should have real upside.
How do we get him though? Aren't we giving up pick 6 for Prestia? Lol.
leon said:
I'd focus on Naismith too. Probably comes down to the player really. He's contracted till 2018 which makes it harder to trade as might have to pay overs and Sydney will probably see him as their next ruck with Tippett being 29 and Sinclair nearly 27. If Naismith wants to play a lot of senior footy over the next couple of years then he will seek a trade. The swans seem to be ok to deal with so will probably look at a fair trade, but whats fair for him. I'd be thinking a pick between 25 and 30 personally being as he's contracted and a required player.
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Bill James said:
Don't agree, every draft should be treated on it's merits. Grundy would have been a much wiser selection than Vlastuin.
think from memory i heard a while ago that the best Talls are usually taken early in the Draft. could be completely wrong on that one tho
scottyturnerscurse said:
Again, every player should be treated on their merits. This year Tim English is worth a first round pick. If a ruckman possesses all the traits of an accomplished midfielder then why should he be deemed undraftable in the first round? Rucks take longer to develop but so do KP players and they are an absolute must in the first round.
For the record, Tim English is already playing senior reserves and doing exceedingly well, the longer the season goes on the more I think he'll go in the top ten.
Correct. Why waste a pick when you can trade in a 22 yo second or third string ruckman who has had the development put into him already. Zac smith hickey longer have gone this way. Lobb ( or another of GWS 6 rucks they have lol) wright nicholls these are the types you should be looking at. Most teams only play one proper ruck yet there are three- four rucks on a clubs list. Much cheaper and safer to get a more mature kid than a 18 yo skinny kid who will need 5 years to come goodBill James said:
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