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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Deledio was also very good in his first year. He started playing senior football at 17 (and looked 25) which I think was the same age as Knights. Deledio looked genuinely like a number one pick.
Was kinda odd that Deledio played every game and didn't finish in the top 10 in the Dyer medal, and the next year Andrew Raines was beaten a whisker by Kane Johnson. Classic case of marking the talented players harder.

Bachar is a marvel but going on 33, he could fall off the perch at any time due to form or injury. With Stack's talent it would be a springboard to play any position he wants. He wants. He wants...
 
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glenn downing

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Was kinda odd that Deledio played every game and didn't finish in the top 10 in the Dyer medal, and the next year Andrew Raines was beaten a whisker by Kane Johnson. Classic case of marking the talented players harder.

Bachar is a marvel but going on 33, he could fall off the perch at any time due to form or injury. With Stack's talent it would be a springboard to play any position he wants. He wants. He wants...
Andrew Raines certainly looked the goods for a year or two. He ran, moved and kicked just like his dad. It was uncanny how much he resembled his dad. Very disappointing really that he dropped away so quickly and his career at RFC didn't last. Perhaps another case of unfulfilled/wasted talent.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Andrew Raines certainly looked the goods for a year or two. He ran, moved and kicked just like his dad. It was uncanny how much he resembled his dad. Very disappointing really that he dropped away so quickly and his career at RFC didn't last. Perhaps another case of unfulfilled/wasted talent.
It seemed to surprise everyone at the club that he had a year out of the box. Yeah, he looked great, he was in the zone but he played more than enough games afterwards for his limitations to be apparent.
 
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glenn downing

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It seemed to surprise everyone at the club that he had a year out of the box. Yeah, he looked great, he was in the zone but he played more than enough games afterwards for his limitations to be apparent.
Easy to see that you have a good memory for a lot of football stuff. For me, a lot of stuff becomes a bit of a blur. Just for posterity, a couple of years ago, I was looking through some old football records and found that in the 1991/1992 period, the RFC turned over a large number of players, perhaps 17 or 18, in a massive list rebuild. It did work reasonably well in that we made the finals in 1995. So many players to remember for the tigers.
 
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I noticed that Eddie Betts' advice for Sydney last year was to work hard. On twitter, Eddie often seems to attribute success with hard work, unlike the typical commentators who praise Eddie's "magical" innate ability to perform without effort.

The thing about being more talented is everyone else is less talented than you, which means of course they need to work harder than you. By extension, it's okay for you to get away with not doing as much as them, because when you're the most talented, you can work half as hard and still be better than others. That's the inescapable logic of innate ability vs hard work.

It's hard to get people like that to truly believe in hard work, but if it does all click internally, you can end up with a model of greatness.

It doesn't help that the more Sydney stuffs up, the more surrounding commentary fixates on his innate talent...
 
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eZyT

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Andrew Raines certainly looked the goods for a year or two. He ran, moved and kicked just like his dad. It was uncanny how much he resembled his dad. Very disappointing really that he dropped away so quickly and his career at RFC didn't last. Perhaps another case of unfulfilled/wasted talent.

He's a very well respected coach in the GC suns academy now.

nice fella
 
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TigerMasochist

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Agree with the first 2 paragraphs. Disagree with the last.
The club can’t just keep giving chances to these recidivists like Sydney. In a time where resources are being wound back it is such a big risk to ignore the kids who do the right thing but allocating/wasting it one player who you just know will **** up again.
put the resources into RCD, MRj, Hugo.
Obviously there always comes a cut off point. But, when a club recruits a young player fully knowing that the person has certain discipline / professionalism issues. Then the club is obligated to put extra work into that person in an effort to help him become the best person he can be.
AFL level takes youngsters from their home and family environment, then expects them to perform at elite sporting levels with a heap of monetary, media, social pressures thrown on top. Some people obviously handle these things far better than others, some remain fortunate enough to have most of their normal connections still close when issues arise.
Pretty sure all clubs have and provide plenty of support and resources around all their players if they ever need it. Some won't need much support as they go through an elite sport system, they'll have their own systems in place or easily be guided following along the pathway of incumbent senior players. Others unfortunately will need a few life kicks up the arse n time outs in the naughty corner before they hopefully realise the errors of their way. Some will simply have NFI n stumble around in their own crap for a long while before they get spat out of the system n then continue to crap on themselves.
 
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yandb

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For those trying to equate Stacks poor behaviour with a young Dusty and chopstickgate you are way offline.

1 Dusty did not threaten the channel 7 reporter with chopsticks.
2 The channel 7 reporter was harassing Dusty with out justification,
3 Dusty was drunk and rude to the reporter after she harassed him.
4 He apologised for his poor behaviour and there was not a repeat of this kind.

Does any one have any further info on this as the above incident barely rates a 3/10.
 
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AngryAnt

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For those trying to equate Stacks poor behaviour with a young Dusty and chopstickgate you are way offline.

1 Dusty did not threaten the channel 7 reporter with chopsticks.
2 The channel 7 reporter was harassing Dusty with out justification,
3 Dusty was drunk and rude to the reporter after she harassed him.
4 He apologised for his poor behaviour and there was not a repeat of this kind.

Does any one have any further info on this as the above incident barely rates a 3/10.

He ate all the dumplings and didn't offer her one
 

BrisTiger24

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Reading Marlion's book currently while on holiday. Good read so far but am amazed at his life as a teenager and (without having read to the end....I sort of know the ending) am happy that he turned his life around.

I would love to read Syd's book one day and hope it also has a positive ending like Marlion's
 
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DavidSSS

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The thing is that giving Stack another chance is a real judgement call.

Sometimes you give a person another chance and they thrive, other times it does them no good as they are not in the right mind to stop their problematic behaviour. In some situations you give up on someone and their life falls apart, the alternative is you give up on them and it sends the message they need to change their priorities.

Those close to Syd, and that would include the club, will have to assess things with far better knowledge than any of us, and make the judgement as to whether it is best for Syd to be dropped off the list or to be retained. Even with knowledge it won't be an easy decision.

DS
 
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Ghost of 29

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For those trying to equate Stacks poor behaviour with a young Dusty and chopstickgate you are way offline.

1 Dusty did not threaten the channel 7 reporter with chopsticks.
2 The channel 7 reporter was harassing Dusty with out justification,
3 Dusty was drunk and rude to the reporter after she harassed him.
4 He apologised for his poor behaviour and there was not a repeat of this kind.

Does any one have any further info on this as the above incident barely rates a 3/10.
Correct. It was all the Ch7 reporter. That’s why the story died a rapid death as did her career apparently.
 
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Ghost of 29

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Obviously there always comes a cut off point. But, when a club recruits a young player fully knowing that the person has certain discipline / professionalism issues. Then the club is obligated to put extra work into that person in an effort to help him become the best person he can be.
AFL level takes youngsters from their home and family environment, then expects them to perform at elite sporting levels with a heap of monetary, media, social pressures thrown on top. Some people obviously handle these things far better than others, some remain fortunate enough to have most of their normal connections still close when issues arise.
Pretty sure all clubs have and provide plenty of support and resources around all their players if they ever need it. Some won't need much support as they go through an elite sport system, they'll have their own systems in place or easily be guided following along the pathway of incumbent senior players. Others unfortunately will need a few life kicks up the arse n time outs in the naughty corner before they hopefully realise the errors of their way. Some will simply have NFI n stumble around in their own crap for a long while before they get spat out of the system n then continue to crap on themselves.
You will find the club has thrown everything at supporting Sydney since he came across. Club will give him another chance unless he asks to be released or just quits. If he does decide to knuckle down he will have a mountain of work to do to get fit.
 

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You will find the club has thrown everything at supporting Sydney since he came across. Club will give him another chance unless he asks to be released or just quits. If he does decide to knuckle down he will have a mountain of work to do to get fit.
Syd arrived at the club behind in his fitness. He worked his arse off, spewing all over the place. He could do it again.

Question is - will he?

If the club keep him (I think they will), they should insist on some very strong non-negotiables. Even put him with a Minder.

Maybe he could live a Balmy's place? That would be scary to Syd :)
 

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You will find the club has thrown everything at supporting Sydney since he came across. Club will give him another chance unless he asks to be released or just quits. If he does decide to knuckle down he will have a mountain of work to do to get fit.
We have a wonderful caring organisation that we support.
They will be supporting Sidney at every turn.
They will work with him to ensure that he understands why he makes the decisions he does and work with him to enable him to stop his current triggers.
The team will get around him, let him feel the love they have for him and ensure that he has every chance to succeed
 
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tigerfan1961

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I think that the fact he told the Judge that his AFL career with Richmond was “on the line” indicates he realises that he will have to change his ways or it’s all over for him at AFL level.
I just hope he gets released, trains his backside off, and works hard to regain respect lost, along with a spot in our best 22. As he certainly has the talent to do it.
 
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With the NSW border control situation returning, you’d just have to laugh if Victoria mandates a 14-day hotel quarantine for WA flights by the time Sydney gets out.