Please, you don't want to open that can of worms.Besides those who are entitled to royalties for land that was stolen, what money do Indigenous people get that non-Indigenous people don't?
Please, you don't want to open that can of worms.Besides those who are entitled to royalties for land that was stolen, what money do Indigenous people get that non-Indigenous people don't?
Im not "opening a can of worms". a couple of posters have repeated the myths that indigenous people get loads of money that the rest of Australians dont have access to, and they havent returned to back up their claim. because they cant.Please, you don't want to open that can of worms.
Please, you don't want to open that can of worms.
There has been a few posters recently make claims about all the extra money Indigenous Australians get, but when asked for facts there is always silence.
Please, you don't want to open that can of worms.
Please do, and with actual facts/evidence Mein General.
Tigaman, Linda Burney is indigenous and I have quite a lot of respect for her, but her primary role in parliament is to represent her electorate and the Labor Party and if she’s like the overwhelming majority of party aligned politicians, her party comes a long way before all else.A Voice in Parliament for the Indigenous. Well they have one there now The Honourable Linda Burney MP who is The Minister for Indigenous Australians. Linda is Indigenous. Do not get conned on this Voice In Parliament. All we have from Albo is a Voice in Parliament with no framework whatsoever into what role the Voice will have. Is the Voice just going to be one person sitting the House of Reps with no Voting or has Voting Rights. Maybe it will be one in the House of Reps with same Rights of elected MPs & seven Senators (one from each State) with Full Rights.
Yeh, when I worked for a Financial Advisor in the city all our indigenous clients wanted to know what to do with the handouts they were getting. They already had the investment property portfolio and a garge full of sports cars.I can help General out maybe?
- franking credits
- 50 % discount on real estate capital gains
- tax free superannuation contributions
- negative gearing
- private school funding
How else do you think our universities are so over run with Black Fellas?
how do they afford such long healthy luxurious lives?
How do they get such high numeracy and literacy rates, occupy all the positions of power, be so underrepresented in the prison system?
Its cause theyre on easy street: real estate investment, share portfolios, savings and large superannuations?
Oh, wait.
So. My wife's workplace has jobs which are for indigenous folks only. Victorian government department.Its not so much a can of worms,
As a big box of bullcrap, General
My concerns are not that we help our indigenous Australians. I don't think it's going to "make it rain" for them. But there are other people who are disadvantaged in society as well. They don't get anywhere near the help they should.
People like Craig Foster don't follow a party line. There is no doubt he is left leaning but he is not party affiliated and goes after everyone if necessary. It is hard to be an independent thinker like him and be in parliament unless you are an independent candidate. Maybe he might run for a senate spot if he is so inclined.Foster for PM. Such an articulate and discerning bloke.
So no actual money? Which was what the other posters stated, and I stated was wrong.So. My wife's workplace has jobs which are for indigenous folks only. Victorian government department.
They have several positions to fill.
No qualifications required. No experience necessary.
The exact same role, for a person of any other race, needs a degree as an entry requirement.
There's access to university degrees, which are reserved for indigenous Australians, with different entry criteria. Eg my neighbour said to me, "I hope to get into psychology. But if I don't get the grades, I'll just apply as an aboriginal and get in that way" - which she did.
There's many other "helping hands" that are offered. There's special tribunals that are run for indigenous offenders/parole where they receive different treatment/punishments than other offenders (Victoria).
There's government procurement rules where contracts and organisations are required to meet minimum procurement targets for indigenous run business and social enterprises.
The same projects also have minimum requirements for indigenous hiring. If those contracts fail to meet those quotas, they can miss out on revenue.
All those things are available based on race, rather than factors like socio-economic disadvantage (which would still capture a lot of indigenous folk, but also try to lift those from other backgrounds as well). My concerns are not that we help our indigenous Australians. I don't think it's going to "make it rain" for them. But there are other people who are disadvantaged in society as well. They don't get anywhere near the help they should.
General I can't comment specifically on the Dept your wife works for but I am aware of the procurement rules. There are lot of rules designated by the Victorian Government Procurement Board and they include not just general probity type rules but they include things like the Local jobs first program (Victorian employers get extra scores in tenders of a certain size or above) but the Social procurement program. That program lists about 10 types of social procurement and one of them is indigenous run organisations or those who employ indigenous people but it also includes things like diversity, people with disability etc. The individual government agency can decide how they want to implement that within the framework.There's government procurement rules where contracts and organisations are required to meet minimum procurement targets for indigenous run business and social enterprises.
The same projects also have minimum requirements for indigenous hiring. If those contracts fail to meet those quotas, they can miss out on revenue.
All those things are available based on race, rather than factors like socio-economic disadvantage (which would still capture a lot of indigenous folk, but also try to lift those from other backgrounds as well). My concerns are not that we help our indigenous Australians. I don't think it's going to "make it rain" for them. But there are other people who are disadvantaged in society as well. They don't get anywhere near the help they should.
Good post, except for 1 thing- it is not only the abuses perpetrated against Indigenous Australians a long time ago- there are still people alive who were used as guinea pigs for nuclear testing at Maralinga, or at least their children are, there are still people alive who had to take the Queensland government to court for not paying them an equal wage, and for putting wages into trust funds that people couldnt access, somewhere between 30 to 300 Indigenous Australians were massacred less than 100 years ago in the NT- grandparents of people still living today.I try and stay out of these conversations because I'm a financially comfortable white man so what the *smile* would I know.
Having said that I recognise the need for First Nation Australian people to be supported in ways not applicable to other Australians because my ancestors destroyed their civilisation.
The land I own and the prosperity I enjoy is only possible because my ancestors destroyed theirs and I recognise that there is a restitution needed to try and heal those atrocities.
At that point people usually say something like it was a long time ago and we shouldn't be held responsible etc but to that I ask them if China rolls in tomorrow and takes Australia, rapes, murders and pillages us all, would we expect our great, great, great, great ancestors whose lineage exists because they survived all sorts of unspeakable abuse, to wave China flags on 'New China Day' on February 3rd, 2222?
I don't know how long it takes to repair the damage my ancestors did to First Nations people or if it is even possible but I am sure it needs to be supported for as long as it takes and in as many ways as possible.
It could also include Morrison's appointment of Abbott as "special envoy"The Australian survey on gay marriage asked just one question. "Should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry, Yes or No?
In regards to the question in the referendum for the Voice to Parliament, keep the question simple, and if the vote is yes, let the workings of it be decided in Parliament.
There could be a very brief history of previous attempts from both sides of politics to support our First Nations people........Whitlam’s National Aboriginal Consultative Committee got axed by the Fraser government, Fraser's National Aboriginal Conference got axed by the Hawke government, Hawke's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission got axed by the Howard government.
A very simple question could then be asked in the referendum...........Should our First Nations people have a Voice to Parliament, Yes or No?
Not to mention there are still many people alive who were specifically affected by the stolen generation or were part of it themselves.Good post, except for 1 thing- it is not only the abuses perpetrated against Indigenous Australians a long time ago- there are still people alive who were used as guinea pigs for nuclear testing at Maralinga, or at least their children are, there are still people alive who had to take the Queensland government to court for not paying them an equal wage, and for putting wages into trust funds that people couldnt access, somewhere between 30 to 300 Indigenous Australians were massacred less than 100 years ago in the NT- grandparents of people still living today.
There are many reasons while Indigenous Australians experience the conditions that many do, and many of those reasons are the direct result of actions and policies affected by Australian governments (at all levels) and Australian people. That is why there are now specific schemes and efforts to redress the disadvantage.