You really don't know much history do you?
I know plenty of history. But no doubt not as much as you.
In the 20th century 2 major wars were fought on European soil, the main protagonists would be Germany, France and the UK. They killed millions of each others' citizens. Today, they are allies, until Brexit they were all in an economic union. Unthinkable decades ago, this is the reality today. You can add that Japan attacked the USA in WWII and they are now allies.
And? Tell us which of those countries shared the same land? Different sets of circumstances set both world wars off. And the 1st World War, led to the 2nd. No similarity at all to Israel and Palestine. None, zero, zilch.
Different religions, different cultures, different ideologies.
I remember interviewing Jose Ramos Horta back in the 1980s. Back then everyone thought that East Timor would not gain independence from Indonesia, or if they could, it was going to be many decades away - now East Timor is an independent country.
And? What’s that got to do with Israel and Palestine?
Once again, completely different set of circumstances
The USA had a revolution to get rid of the UK as their colonial power - today they are allies.
So what? They had more in common than Jews/Israelis and Muslims/ Palestinians. Different circumstances led to the War of Independence. Nothing similar to the Middle East. Nothing, nil, zilch, zero
Things change. I see a 2 state solution as a medium term solution
Without any airey fairey make believe scenarios how would you see this happening? What land go to who?
Israel would never accept pre 1967 borders and after October 7 I doubt very much they’ll do a repeat of Gaza and forcibly withdraw all Israelis from the West Bank. They’ll have learnt their hard lesson.
and it needs to eventually lead to 1 state or a confederation. However, 2 states is all that can be done now, and it can be done.
Hah, when I said previously, when challenged I said the only possibles one sate I got howled down.
I don’t see it ever happening now it’s gone too far. While hamas keeps the kidnapped Israelis, the more intense the reaction, more deaths and more destruction.
Take away US support for one side of this dispute and a resolution will be far more urgent, and US public opinion is shifting.
It might be shifting, but the US will always be with Israel. Public opinion will have its way, then change again
If not a 2 state solution leading to a more permanent resolution, what do you suggest Willo? Expel the Palestinians?
Ive made my suggestion 20or 30 pages back and got howled down. Then I’ve been asked the same thing another 20 or 30 times. Go back and read through it. It’s not up to me to keep writing the same thing .
I don’t have to do anything, I don’t have to offer workable solutions. Just like posters suggest nonsense solutions that will never be accepted by either party.
If they don’t know that Israel won’t go back to pre1967 or 1948 borders they don’t know history as much as they think they do. They’re talking out their arse. They’ve got no idea and just post for the sake of it. Or all 3.
Create the Greater Israel that Netanyahu had on his map at the UN in September?
I doubt Netanyahu will be there much longer. But no doubt that even the moderate and/or conservative factions would have their hearts hardened by October 7. There are still a lot of hardliners there and more since October 7 and while the hostages are still held
That would be the only other alternative as far as I can see, and it is not an alternative which many would agree with as it would be ethnic cleansing.
So maybe the status quo remains. They won’t pull hundreds of thousands of Israelis from the WB. They’ll want that buffer zone and hamas taught everyone a lesson on that. If anyone thinks there will a mass evacuation of the WB Israelis you’re kidding yourself..
You don’t agree I know, but facts are facts
The longer Hamas keep the kidnapped Israelis, the harder the situation becomes..Israel will continue on, more death and destruction, more radical Muslim terrorists, more Israelis/Jews digging in
The other major drawback is as all the pro Palestinia sympathisers have said. Israels action in Gaza will only grow more terrorists to “the cause“. Not for land, but Israel’s destruction. Israel know that as well, so they won’t want to put another million or so right amongst themselves.
Another drawback is who actually negotiates for the any solution? Or their position? Or their wants?
Palestinians can’t even decide that. Or who governs them. Hamas? The PA, The billionaires in Qatar?
They need to get their own house in order.
No doubt in your mind you might be one of the world’s leading historians. Mentioning any of the previous conflicts and wars doesn’t prove that at all. Not that any of them were relevant to Israel and Palestine today.
You could have saved quite a bit of typing by just saying in a lot of cases.…”yesterday‘s enemy might be tomorrow’s friend”
But in this instance the “might” is nearly impossible. Sometimes “today’s enemy remains tomorrow‘s enemy”
The cycle that perpetuates itself for 100+ years will keep going. Mores the pity.