Prelim Final prelude thread. Tigers v Salties

tigerlove

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Just saw that we are $1.38 to win, Cats $3.00. That is definitely too short, we aren't that big a favourite IMO, guessing the Hawkins suspension & Duncan unlikely to get up has shortened our price. Let's just win Tiges and get to another beautiful Grand Final.
Probably odds sound about right when comparing one side that's won their last 10,the other half half. Also being at the MCG where Tigers have won 29 of the last 32. Odds only reflect what people are betting. Of course all of the above means nothing on game day.
 

zippadeee

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Thinking back to 2017 the two pieces of play that stand out are Cotching's one handed puckup, 360, goal and Ellis's massive bump on Clangerfield.

BBoth massive team lifting moments.
Dangerfield got up and run away, Ellis was rubbing his head.
It wasn’t a Miles/Pickering bump or a Townsend bump
It was a very low grade bump.
 
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tigerlove

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There's an AFL article on what the Cats could do to cover Hawkins, and top of the list were two moves involving shifting Harry Taylor forward. LOL. Cats are ******. Get on. Put your house on it. Your kids too. #makegamblinggreatagain
Yep. Huge issues now with their structure with Hawkins out. I think they'll try and play Dangerfield forward for alot of the game. Plays into our hands imo. I am quietly confident.
 
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Don’t Argue

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I'm feeling a bit uneasy about this game.

Having sat at the MCG and watched Geelong humiliate us earlier in the year, my view is probably a bit clouded but I feel like this will be a tough contest.

Always worries me when the opposition has a strong tactical coach and I feel Geelong has a massive advantage in Scott v Hardwick, I felt Scott was a big factor in them beating West Coast. (Understand that won't be a popular view on here!)

We can't afford to start with any week off sluggishness, that will be the key for mine.
Pressure and losing one’s nerve can do amazing things to a humans mind. One can lose all sense to rationalise or think analytically under stressful circumstances.
But Scott better tactically than Hardwick?
Pull yourself together man. You’ve totally lost it.
 
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Yep. Huge issues now with their structure with Hawkins out. I think they'll try and play Dangerfield forward for alot of the game. Plays into our hands imo. I am quietly confident.

You probably have Rohan coming in?
They will try old man Taylor down there too see if they can repeat 2017 at the Cattery?
Plus I feel they will try a Dusty with Dangerfield inside 50?

Is that you acatman I saw?
 

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Dangerfield got up and run away, Ellis was rubbing his head.
It wasn’t a Miles/Pickering bump or a Townsend bump
It was a very low grade bump.
Seriously you need to get some balance. That was a terrific moment in the game and was acknowledged by a number of his team mates at the time. Clearly you know more than them ?
 
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zippadeee

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Seriously you need to get some balance. That was a terrific moment in the game and was acknowledged by a number of his team mates at the time. Clearly you know more than them ?
Big deal. Dangerfield was still there best player. Didn’t change the result.
It was a Nothing moment.
 

tigerlove

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You probably have Rohan coming in?
They will try old man Taylor down there too see if they can repeat 2017 at the Cattery?
Plus I feel they will try a Dusty with Dangerfield inside 50?

Is that you acatman I saw?
Only thing, in 2017 we didn't have a two pronged tall forward line. They could maybe do that by then putting Blicavs back but then they have little ruck back up. Rohan is a very ordinary player. Hope he is in.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Was it a deliberate bump, or just an accidental collision from two players simply going hard at the pill?
 

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Was it a deliberate bump, or just an accidental collision from two players simply going hard at the pill?
I'm sure Bellis knew Clangerfield was there, unlike Clangerfield who seemed shocked at being hit like that, or maybe shocked that he fell to the ground and didn't get a free.

Bellis didn't seem to deviate from the line to the ball but was definitely braced and ready for the contact. Massive moment that shook Clanger's emotional state
 

Fighting Fury

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Second preliminary final: Richmond v Geelong
Peter Ryan
By Peter Ryan
September 14, 2019 — 11.03pm

Richmond will start overwhelming favourites to bounce back from last season’s shock preliminary final loss against Collingwood and defeat Geelong on Friday night at the MCG if Tom Hawkins is unable to have his one-match suspension reduced to a fine on appeal.Hawkins’ absence could well remove the Tigers’ biggest weakness, which is coping with the game’s best power forwards without champion defender Alex Rance who has been missing since round one with a knee injury.


Hawkins questioned over hit


The Cats opened Richmond up during a brilliant patch of football in round 12 when Geelong was at their best and the Tigers were battling to keep their head above water as injuries decimated their line up in the first half of the season.
But since that result the Tigers have won 10 games in succession following the bye, finishing third and charging into premiership favouritism after they defeated the Brisbane Lions in last week’s qualifying final.

Geelong have been inconsistent after the bye but they showed in their semi-final win over West Coast they are capable of matching it with the best despite many pundits writing them off after their disappointing effort against Collingwood.
Skipper Trent Cotchin will be a key player for the Tigers.
Skipper Trent Cotchin will be a key player for the Tigers.CREDIT:AAP
HISTORY LESSON
Richmond broke a 13-game losing streak against the Cats when they defeated Geelong in the 2017 qualifying final and proceeded to win two tight clashes in 2018 before the Cats thrashed the Tigers at the MCG in round 12 this season by 67 points.
The Tigers were without Jack Riewoldt, David Astbury, Brandon Ellis, Shai Bolton, Nathan Broad, Toby Nankervis, Jayden Short and Kane Lambert in round 12 while the Cats will have Sam Menegola and Quinton Narkle replacing Mitch Duncan and Jordan Clark from that game.
Hawkins kicked four goals in round 12 matched up on Ryan Garthwaite as the Cats resisted an early onslaught from the Tigers kicking seven goals in the second quarter after being held goalless in the first quarter.

X-FACTOR
No surprises in the Tigers’ X-factor with key forward Tom Lynch in much better form than he was when the two teams met in round 12. The former Gold Coast skipper crossed to Richmond for this moment, playing in front of 90,000 people in a big final under lights at the MCG and the game arrives with the 26-year-old in good form having kicked 30 goals in the past 11 games.
The Cats have used Mark Blicavs in defence, in the ruck and on the wing in the past three games remaining unafraid to defy popular opinion to use them where they think he can help the team best. Who knows what they have up their sleeve against Richmond but Blicavs – who remains an outstanding defender – is a wildcard that will test the Tigers planning.
TACTICS
It starts at the centre bounce with the territory battle critical to the result. Richmond are ranked third in the AFL for inside 50 differentials and have Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Dion Prestia ready to take on Patrick Dangerfield, Joel Selwood, Tim Kelly and Cam Guthrie at ground level.
Whichever team gains ascendancy in that area will be able to get their turnover game going with the two teams the best in the competition at creating scores from turnovers and locking the opposition in their back half.
Geelong hunted the ball against West Coast and were much braver when they moved it, instinctive decisions allowing them to recover from mistakes more effectively and the constant movement ensuring numbers ran to support.

The Tigers just push the ball forward in any manner to create a scoring chance and will force the Cats midfielders to work back with their ability to steady when challenged critical.
In the end attitude will be more important than any tactical initiative as Geelong showed in the first two rounds of the finals with their pressure much higher against the Eagles and their willingness to take the game on obvious.
Reducing champion goalkicking midfielder Dustin Martin when he goes forward will be critical but the Cats’ Jed Bews and Jake Kolodjashnij are both capable opponents.
PREDICTION
Geelong will start well again and test Richmond’s defence which was a little leaky early in both round 22 and the qualifying final.
However, the one-match ban of Hawkins increases the degree of difficulty for Geelong not only removing a major avenue for goal but taking Richmond’s main problem away.
They can now play David Astbury on Esava Ratugolea and Dylan Grimes on anyone without having to ask themselves whether they need additional defensive back up.

That tips the scales in the Tigers favour with their experience in the past two preliminary finals likely to hold them in good stead as they seek passage through to the grand final.
If, however, Hawkins is cleared then the equation changes.
Richmond by 17 points
 

TigerForce

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Second preliminary final: Richmond v Geelong
Peter Ryan
By Peter Ryan
September 14, 2019 — 11.03pm

Richmond will start overwhelming favourites to bounce back from last season’s shock preliminary final loss against Collingwood and defeat Geelong on Friday night at the MCG if Tom Hawkins is unable to have his one-match suspension reduced to a fine on appeal.Hawkins’ absence could well remove the Tigers’ biggest weakness, which is coping with the game’s best power forwards without champion defender Alex Rance who has been missing since round one with a knee injury.


Hawkins questioned over hit
The Cats opened Richmond up during a brilliant patch of football in round 12 when Geelong was at their best and the Tigers were battling to keep their head above water as injuries decimated their line up in the first half of the season.
But since that result the Tigers have won 10 games in succession following the bye, finishing third and charging into premiership favouritism after they defeated the Brisbane Lions in last week’s qualifying final.

Geelong have been inconsistent after the bye but they showed in their semi-final win over West Coast they are capable of matching it with the best despite many pundits writing them off after their disappointing effort against Collingwood.
Skipper Trent Cotchin will be a key player for the Tigers.
Skipper Trent Cotchin will be a key player for the Tigers.CREDIT:AAP
HISTORY LESSON
Richmond broke a 13-game losing streak against the Cats when they defeated Geelong in the 2017 qualifying final and proceeded to win two tight clashes in 2018 before the Cats thrashed the Tigers at the MCG in round 12 this season by 67 points.
The Tigers were without Jack Riewoldt, David Astbury, Brandon Ellis, Shai Bolton, Nathan Broad, Toby Nankervis, Jayden Short and Kane Lambert in round 12 while the Cats will have Sam Menegola and Quinton Narkle replacing Mitch Duncan and Jordan Clark from that game.
Hawkins kicked four goals in round 12 matched up on Ryan Garthwaite as the Cats resisted an early onslaught from the Tigers kicking seven goals in the second quarter after being held goalless in the first quarter.

X-FACTOR
No surprises in the Tigers’ X-factor with key forward Tom Lynch in much better form than he was when the two teams met in round 12. The former Gold Coast skipper crossed to Richmond for this moment, playing in front of 90,000 people in a big final under lights at the MCG and the game arrives with the 26-year-old in good form having kicked 30 goals in the past 11 games.
The Cats have used Mark Blicavs in defence, in the ruck and on the wing in the past three games remaining unafraid to defy popular opinion to use them where they think he can help the team best. Who knows what they have up their sleeve against Richmond but Blicavs – who remains an outstanding defender – is a wildcard that will test the Tigers planning.
TACTICS
It starts at the centre bounce with the territory battle critical to the result. Richmond are ranked third in the AFL for inside 50 differentials and have Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Dion Prestia ready to take on Patrick Dangerfield, Joel Selwood, Tim Kelly and Cam Guthrie at ground level.
Whichever team gains ascendancy in that area will be able to get their turnover game going with the two teams the best in the competition at creating scores from turnovers and locking the opposition in their back half.
Geelong hunted the ball against West Coast and were much braver when they moved it, instinctive decisions allowing them to recover from mistakes more effectively and the constant movement ensuring numbers ran to support.

The Tigers just push the ball forward in any manner to create a scoring chance and will force the Cats midfielders to work back with their ability to steady when challenged critical.
In the end attitude will be more important than any tactical initiative as Geelong showed in the first two rounds of the finals with their pressure much higher against the Eagles and their willingness to take the game on obvious.
Reducing champion goalkicking midfielder Dustin Martin when he goes forward will be critical but the Cats’ Jed Bews and Jake Kolodjashnij are both capable opponents.
PREDICTION
Geelong will start well again and test Richmond’s defence which was a little leaky early in both round 22 and the qualifying final.
However, the one-match ban of Hawkins increases the degree of difficulty for Geelong not only removing a major avenue for goal but taking Richmond’s main problem away.
They can now play David Astbury on Esava Ratugolea and Dylan Grimes on anyone without having to ask themselves whether they need additional defensive back up.

That tips the scales in the Tigers favour with their experience in the past two preliminary finals likely to hold them in good stead as they seek passage through to the grand final.
If, however, Hawkins is cleared then the equation changes.
Richmond by 17 points
Rubbish. What's Hawkins ? The next Wayne Carey??
 
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sconies

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Big deal. Dangerfield was still there best player. Didn’t change the result.
It was a Nothing moment.
I've only been browsing this forum for six months but christ you're a negative person. I really hope your actual life is better than what you project on here. God help you if it isn't.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Moggies will be virtually playing against a different team on Friday compared to our last game against them.
 
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Pressure and losing one’s nerve can do amazing things to a humans mind. One can lose all sense to rationalise or think analytically under stressful circumstances.
But Scott better tactically than Hardwick?
Pull yourself together man. You’ve totally lost it.
I'm pretty comfortable with it.

Hardwick is a relationship coach, Scott is a game analyst.

If either side was going to produce something tactical to gain an advantage in the game it will 100% be Geelong. We will roll out our very good system and play it from start to finish.
 
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I’m not so sure we want rain in this game despite our excellent form in the wet,

With Hawkins out , jack and lynch up forward for us , a good night for taking marks might be in our favour
 
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