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What are you looking forward to in 2023

The Big Richo

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If the rules of our game were adjudicated correctly in that you cannot grab/tackle an opponent if they do not have the ball then the nomination rule is not needed.

It doesn't have to be grabbing for the nomination rule to be needed. You can lean on them and it's a free kick. You can stand in front of them and it's a free kick.
 

DavidSSS

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How simple to say lets stop any scragging, tagging, wrestling, grabbing, body work, jostling, bumping between players. Sounds like netball rules


Fair dinkum Posters complain that the bump is dead and the next breath suggest that any minor interference is immediately a free kick.

We saw how that worked with the hands in the back interpretation. No push just hands near a back saw dubious free kicks. Simply making the rules too strict is not a solution

Bumping has always been legal, penalising holding while not in possession of the ball has always been a rule, it just isn't enforced. And look at the mess that has created. It is the reason why we have such a plethora of rules now: ruck nomination, prior opportunity etc. There used to be a clear line, now there is a blurred mess.

Push in the back is now also rife. How many players do you see push their opponent in the back as their opponent pursues the ball? It happens all the time and the reason it happens? Is it because of a rule change? No. It is because they don't enforce the rules as written and everybody knows they will get away with it most of the time, but sometimes they will get penalised, which is a recipe for the mess we now have.

Enforce the damned rules as written or change them, the current situation is a mess and we wonder why people get frustrated.

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Sintiger

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There are so many things to look forward to in 2023 but one that I am particularly interested in is the development of the young players.
Our team was improved by the injection of MRJ, Cumberland and Sonsie in the back half of the season and I really want to see if Ryan, Brown, Banks and Clarke in particular can add to that.
 
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WesternTiger

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I'm looking forward to seeing just for once TBR siding with the RFC great unwashed when it comes to an issues with the AFL...
 
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The Mole

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There are so many things to look forward to in 2023 but one that I am particularly interested in is the development of the young players.
Our team was improved by the injection of MRJ, Cumberland and Sonsie in the back half of the season and I really want to see if Ryan, Brown, Banks and Clarke in particular can add to that.
Those are the ones!
MJ, Cumbo and Sonsie will all have a massive impact in 2023. MJ will start drawing comparisons to Cyril, Cumbo at some point will be spoken about as All Australian and Sonsie will emerge as a skillful, damaging midfielder.
 
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The Big Richo

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Push in the back is now also rife.

Push in the back is just about an impossible task for umpires. Asking to determine if someone is pushing, or holding ground and if the player pushed is staging is setting them up to fail.

The best rule change they ever made was making it if you touched an opponent's back with your hands it is a free kick (the Richo rule). The worst rule change they ever made was going back on that. It was simple, clear and easy to officiate.
 
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Jason King

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Bumping has always been legal, penalising holding while not in possession of the ball has always been a rule, it just isn't enforced. And look at the mess that has created. It is the reason why we have such a plethora of rules now: ruck nomination, prior opportunity etc. There used to be a clear line, now there is a blurred mess.

Push in the back is now also rife. How many players do you see push their opponent in the back as their opponent pursues the ball? It happens all the time and the reason it happens? Is it because of a rule change? No. It is because they don't enforce the rules as written and everybody knows they will get away with it most of the time, but sometimes they will get penalised, which is a recipe for the mess we now have.

Enforce the damned rules as written or change them, the current situation is a mess and we wonder why people get frustrated.

DS
This is like the handcheck rule in the NBA. Mids and forwards getting "tagged" is just another word for being held off the ball.

Its a blight on our game.
 

TigerFurious

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Gibcus playing forward.

Too talented not to be tried there for an extended period. Reckon it wouldn’t take him long to have a breakout game either. At worst, it doesn’t work and we shift him back into defense. At best… well, we’ve solved our key forward issue for the next decade.
 
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tommystigers

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Push in the back is just about an impossible task for umpires.
Most rules are. They moved away from protecting players to modifying and manipulating the way the game is played in order to fabricate their desired outcome. This is where it all came unstuck. What remains is a conglomeration of confusion, frustration, and error.

The deliberate rule as adjudicated by the umpiring talent is a farcical comedy that could have a long stint on Broadway. Our great and wise leaders are more concerned with the theatrical movement and choreography of the umpires in their adjudications than they are in the rules of the game. Nothing better than watching an umpire prance an additional 20 metres toward the boundary before swinging their arm back to denote a transgression of this precise and articulate law.

Then we have push in the back, which as it happens, has no relevance to actually being pushed in the back. To make it relevant to how the umpires interpret this rule it should be titled - 2.2 The back and what may or may not happen to it depending on whose back it is, who is looking, and what they may or may not see; say three our fathers, amen.

There are a couple of solutions to the woeful state of umpiring. One of them may involve masks and big burly enforcers.
 
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DavidSSS

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Push in the back is just about an impossible task for umpires. Asking to determine if someone is pushing, or holding ground and if the player pushed is staging is setting them up to fail.

The best rule change they ever made was making it if you touched an opponent's back with your hands it is a free kick (the Richo rule). The worst rule change they ever made was going back on that. It was simple, clear and easy to officiate.

I think you are mainly thinking of marking contests, where the adjudication is difficult, but a couple of observations.

Firstly, in relation to marking contests, especially when they involve a key forward, the number of times I see forwards literally pushed away from the contest, or held away from the contest, as the ball heads towards a pack is ridiculous - is that really allowed? I don't care if it is a push which is not in the back, when a forward is literally pushed or held away from the contest that must be either "blocking" (far more than a block really) or holding the man.

When the forward is allowed to get to the contested mark situation (see above, they often can't) then it does become difficult to adjudicate. The hand in the back rule was overkill, but the staging for in the back frees is rife. Maybe a 2 week suspension for staging might stop it, the tribunal can look at video evidence in slow-mo so not such a difficult call. This is an issue without an easy solution.

What I was more talking about is the player running for the ball getting pushed in the back, it happens all the time, every game, every team - if they don't enforce the rule this is what happens. There's no change in the rules here, a push in the back in that situation has always been illegal. They just don't pay them. If the player going after the ball is faster and you can't legally bump them then they get the ball, is this not what the rule was created for decades ago? It's a mess, if you push a player running for the ball in the back, instant free, that will stop it.

DS